My daughter came with 4 zip jackets or sweatshirts, wanted design put on. Sew I knew I had to do knock down stitches. Sew I did a design from Design by Juju for knock down stitches without border, enlarged my design to size I wanted. I think it turned out great.Basketkase explained how she did knockdown stitches for a design she was working on. Thanks for the help. Design from Embroidery.com. Thanks Sandy