Hi,

Great info given here - thanks to everyone! Thanks for asking this question!
*4 everyone!

I have a Viking Designer 1. I took it in for repair because the needles were breaking. Come to find out, my dealer said I should never use anything less than a size 14. I was basing the size needle on the type of material I was using. After changing to size 14 needle, I haven't had any more breaks. I use Organ needles and I buy them online, sometimes eBay, sometimes at Allstitch.
Ardith

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by americangirl 01 Dec 2008

Thanks Ardith.

Thanks for asking this question you are a mind reader as it is a question I have been thinking about. Now to print the answer from Mary Moore

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by americangirl 01 Dec 2008

This is so great information. Very helpful.

I use Schmetz, they are recommended in my owners manual for my Designer 1 and luckily I can get em at my local Walmart! For the standard size they run about $3 for a pack of 5.

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by americangirl 01 Dec 2008

Thank you.

I have only ever used Schmetz for the last 40 years and i am currently buying from ShoppersRule.com, which says a lot for their pricing when I am Downunder and have to pay O'S shipping and allow for the exchange rate.
I love ShoppersRule... :-)))
hnr, Meganne

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by americangirl 01 Dec 2008

Thanks Meganne. You have a lot of experience.

Joye, I couldn't copy and paste this - so I just scanned it - if you want a copy of it PM me and I will send it to you - I see however you have a different machine than I do - which is a Babylock - so this info may not work for you - but it is really good guide. You can click on the picture to see a larger version - if that isn't large enough - click it again. Shirlene

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by americangirl 01 Dec 2008

Thanks Shirlene, this is large enough.

Joye, for your Janome you should use only Janome or Organ(they make the needles for Janome)needles. They have a slightly shorter shank.If you use other needles, it could result in skipped stitches. For embroidery on homespun or stretch knit fabric, such as T-shirts and Windcheaters, use blue tipped 11.In fact you can use that needle for most of your fabrics.For mettalic thread use 80/12.

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by americangirl 01 Dec 2008

Thank you Ricky.

ok here ya go a novel on needles lol

Taken from ABC Embroidery News

Most home sewing and embroidery machines use flat shank needles (the shank is rounded with one flat side), and commercial machines use round shank needles.

It is always a good idea to start with a new needle for every new embroidery project, or about every eight hours. A dull or burred needle can cause snags and puckering, so if you experience stitching problems, try to replace the needle. Wrong needle may cause tension problems, although it is not always the best choice to use a larger universal needle to avoid thread fraying and breakage. The larger needle may produce unsightly holes in the fabric or cut the fabric causing gaps between the embroidery areas.

To test whether your needle creates too much tension on the thread or not, cut a piece of thread about 12 inches long and thread it through the needle. Hold the thread vertically and fairly taut. Then, from the top, spin the needle. It should slip down the thread. If it doesn’t, you need a needle with larger eye.

Selecting a suitable machine needle for your project should be based on the weight & type of fabric and the weight & type of thread you are going to use on your project. The heavier the fabric and denser the weave, the larger the needle will need to be, and the opposite.

The most commonly used needle sizes in machine embroidery (in both European & American numbering systems) are 65/9, 70/10, 75/11, 80/12, 90/14. Machine embroidery needles have a slightly larger eye and groove in the shank, protecting embroidery threads from shredding or breaking (for use with rayon & polyester embroidery threads).

Needles are available in many types - Sharps, Wedge (cutting) Points, Ball Points & Metallics.

Sharp point is good for most woven fabrics that won't unravel. Sharps cut through the fibers, and deliver the thread with less push and pull on the fabric.

Ball point is used with knits and other stretchy fabrics, when it's important to avoid cutting the goods by needle penetration. The rounded points will cause the needle to slip between the fabric threads to prevent cutting the fabric and causing it to unravel.

Wedge points are for leather, vinyl and other heavy and very dense materials. These needles are for fabrics which are not woven as they make a small slit rather than hole. The wrong needle on leather would cut the design out.

Fortunately, needle manufacturers have also designed marvelous needles for specialty embroidery thread like metallic, glitter and other delicate exotic fibers. Specialty needles (like Sullivan's Metafil, Madeira's Metallic, Schmetz Metallica etc..) have larger coated eyes and deeper scarfs to handle the thread more easily.

Please don't forget to test-stitch the design with the type of needle you're going to use on final project. There are always exceptions to the rules, and it's always a good idea test the needle and other components before using them on final projecs, to avoid unpleasant surprises.

Needle Sizing Systems

With the development of many different specialized industrial machines in the 20th century, as many as 4,000 different needle systems were developed with each system being made in up to 15 different sizes. Because there was no standardization, it often happened that the same basic needle type had various designations. In May 1953 a metric size designation under the abbreviation NM was introduced to replace the 40 or so different size designations in use at that time. This “Number Metric” indicates the diameter of the needle blade in hundredths of a millimeter measured above the scarf or the short groove, but not at any reinforced part of the blade. A sewing machine needle with a blade diameter of 0.80 mm therefore corresponds to NM80 and a needle with a blade diameter of 1.30 mm to NM130.

In the United States we commonly see needles labeled with two measurements separated by a slash. The first number is the old Singer needle sizing standard, the second number is the NM designation. A 12/80 is simply the same needle measured by two different systems.


The general needle system for household machines is the 130/705H. The international system designation is also 130/705H (H=Hohlkehle in German, meaning ‘with scarf’). Also, ‘Zwei’ is two and ‘Drei’ is three in German, to explain the ‘ZWI’ and ‘DRI’ in the needle numbering of double and triple needles.

Household needles of system 130/705H all have flattened shanks for perfect positioning of the needle in the needle bar and in relation to the point of the hook. This system of needle fits nearly every machine manufactured for home use in the last forty years.

Needle Size Selection Information

Canvas 80/12 sharp
Coated/water proof 80/12 sharp/ball point
Corduroy 75/11 sharp/ball point
Cotton Sheeting 70/10, 75/11, 80/12 sharp
Denim 75/11 sharp
Dress Shirt 70/10, 75/11, 80/12 ball point
Golf Shirt 70/10, 75/11, 80/12 ball point
Lace 75/11 sharp point
Leather 80/12, 90/14 sharp point
Lingerie & Silk 60/8, 70/10, 75/11 sharp/ball point
Lycra,Spandex 70/10, 75/11, 80/12 ball point
Nylon Wind breaker 70/10, 75/11, 80/12 ball point
Organza 65/9 ball point
Rayon 75/11 ball point
Satin Jacket 75/11 ball point
Sweater Knit 75/11 ball point
Sweatshirt 70/10, 75/11, 80/12 ball point
Terry cloth towel 75/11 sharp/ball point
Velvet 65/9 ball point
Vinyl 75/11 Sharp point

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by mamsie 01 Dec 2008

Thank you for this info. I have copied and printed for future reference - needles confuse me at times!

by shirlener88 01 Dec 2008

Good info MM

by blhamblen 01 Dec 2008

WOW Mary this has a lot of "STUFF" that I never knew...THANX for sharing:)

by americangirl 01 Dec 2008

Thanks Mary, this is a great help.

I use Oregon needles and i ordered them on on line at Allstitch.com. I got 100 for $10.95 plus shipping. I have had them just about a year.

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by americangirl 30 Nov 2008

Thanks Elaine.

I use organ and order from Allstitch.com.

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by americangirl 30 Nov 2008

Thanks Teri.

by asterixsew 01 Dec 2008

Thanks this is a interesting website and another chart to look at