On one of the freebie sites, I found a free conversion software called Tajima - I downloaded it and can now convert any freebie and once downloaded, I go to Tajima and open them - then 'save as' to pes. Have had no problem and done many stitch-outs of these converted files. Very easy to use. --- So when searching for freebies, look out for the convesion software icon. I do know it is on one of the more frequent sites like oregon etc.