Tugged, pulled, and chopped and now the muscles in my arms and ribs are very sore. Have been having horrible rain, thunder, hail storms over the past week like a lot of other cuties. Power has been out a couple times and more tree debris to clean up. Thinking a high rise condo/apartment with expensive Homeowners Association (HOA) fees might be worth looking into. lol Anyway I'm trying to catch up on all the cuties post in the evening and if you don't hear from me much it's because it's too painful to move my arms and fingers to type after a day of yard work. Thinking about putting another garden in this year but like all the other years it cost more money in insect, deer, mole, etc. control than what we get out of it. Will probably continue with container growing on the deck.