Christine, I have never used or seen either - but I am sure someone that owns one or all - will be along soon. Good luck dear on this new purchase.

I would suggest that you go in to a dealer and try them all out. I doubt that you are going to find very many people who have all of the above. I have a 4500D. It works great, and is affordable, compared to some of the the other big machines. Are you in the market for a new machine? I hope you find exactly what you are looking for!!! Enjoy the process. It is really exciting.

Actually I am a craigslist kind of gal - let's hope I don't pay too much! I'm leaving like in an hour - nervous as heck!